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Okay, before we get bent out of shape over this title....let me just say that this is an article a friend of mine sent me from the Washington Post. It is long, but I think that it is worth the read. I want to know what you all think.
I reply to your thoughts....

Subject: 'Marriage Is for White People' (what are your thoughts)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:10:43 EST

This is long but very interesting..........


'Marriage Is for White People'

By Joy Jones
Sunday, March 26, 2006; B01

I grew up in a time when two-parent families were still the norm, in both
black and white America. Then, as an adult, I saw divorce become more
commonplace, then almost a rite of passage. Today it would appear that many --
particularly in the black community -- have dispensed with marriage altogether.
But as a black woman, I have witnessed the outrage of girlfriends when the
ex failed to show up for his weekend with the kids, and I've seen the
disappointment of children who missed having a dad around. Having enjoyed a close
relationship with my own father, I made a conscious decision that I wanted a
husband, not a live-in boyfriend and not a "baby's daddy," when it came my time
to mate and marry.
My time never came.
For years, I wondered why not. And then some 12-year-olds enlightened me.
"Marriage is for white people."
That's what one of my students told me some years back when I taught a
career exploration class for sixth-graders at an elementary school in Southeast
Washington. I was pleasantly surprised when the boys in the class stated that
being a good father was a very important goal to them, more meaningful than
making money or having a fancy title.
"That's wonderful!" I told my class. "I think I'll invite some couples in to
talk about being married and rearing children."
"Oh, no," objected one student. "We're not interested in the part about
marriage. Only about how to be good fathers."
And that's when the other boy chimed in, speaking as if the words left a
nasty taste in his mouth: "Marriage is for white people."
He's right. At least statistically. The marriage rate for African Americans
has been dropping since the 1960s, and today, we have the lowest marriage rate
of any racial group in the United States. In 2001, according to the U.S.
Census, 43.3 percent of black men and 41.9 percent of black women in America had
never been married, in contrast to 27.4 percent and 20.7 percent
respectively for whites. African American women are the least likely in our society to
marry. In the period between 1970 and 2001, the overall marriage rate in the
United States declined by 17 percent; but for blacks, it fell by 34 percent.
Such statistics have caused Howard University relationship therapist Audrey
Chapman to point out that African Americans are the most uncoupled people in
the country.
How have we gotten here? What has shifted in African American customs, in
our community, in our consciousness, that has made marriage seem unnecessary or
unattainable?
Although slavery was an atrocious social system, men and women back then
nonetheless often succeeded in establishing working families. In his account of
slave life and culture, "Roll, Jordan, Roll," historian Eugene D. Genovese
wrote: "A slave in Georgia prevailed on his master to sell him to Jamaica so
that he could find his wife, despite warnings that his chances of finding her on
so large an island were remote. . . . Another slave in Virginia chopped his
left hand off with a hatchet to prevent being sold away from his son." I was
stunned to learn that a black child was more likely to grow up living with
both parents during slavery days than he or she is today, according to
sociologist Andrew J. Cherlin.
Traditional notions of family, especially the extended family network,
endure. But working mothers, unmarried couples living together, out-of-wedlock
births, birth control, divorce and remarriage have transformed the social
landscape. And no one seems to feel this more than African American women. One told
me that with today's changing mores, it's hard to know "what normal looks
like" when it comes to courtship, marriage and parenthood. s*x, love and
childbearing have become a la carte choices rather than a package deal that comes
with marriage. Moreover, in an era of brothers on the "down low," the spread
of s*xually transmitted diseases and the decline of the stable blue-collar
jobs that black men used to hold, linking one's fate to a man makes marriage a
risky business for a black woman.
"A woman who takes that step is bold and brave," one young single mother
told me. "Women don't want to marry because they don't want to lose their
freedom."
Among African Americans, the desire for marriage seems to have a different
trajectory for women and men. My observation is that black women in their
twenties and early thirties want to marry and commit at a time when black men
their age are more likely to enjoy playing the field. As the woman realizes that
a good marriage may not be as possible or sustainable as she would like, her
focus turns to having a baby, or possibly improving her job status, perhaps
by returning to school or investing more energy in her career.
As men mature, and begin to recognize the benefits of having a roost and
roots (and to feel the consequences of their risky bachelor behavior), they are
more willing to marry and settle down. By this time, however, many of their
female peers are satisfied with the lives they have constructed and are less
likely to settle for marriage to a man who doesn't bring much to the table.
Indeed, he may bring too much to the table: children and their mothers from
previous relationships, limited earning power, and the fallout from years of
drug use, poor health care, s*xual promiscuity. In other words, for the
circumspect black woman, marriage may not be a business deal that offers sufficient
return on investment.
In the past, marriage was primarily just such a business deal. Among wealthy
families, it solidified political alliances or expanded land holdings. For
poorer people, it was a means of managing the farm or operating a household.
Today, people have become economically self-sufficient as individuals, no
longer requiring a spouse for survival. African American women have always had a
high rate of labor-force participation. "Why should well-salaried women
marry?" asked black feminist and author Alice Dunbar-Nelson as early as 1895. But
now instead of access only to low-paying jobs, we can earn a breadwinner's
wage, which has changed what we want in a husband. "Women's expectations have
changed dramatically while men's have not changed much at all," said one
well-paid working wife and mother. "Women now say, 'Providing is not enough. I need
more partnership.' "
The turning point in my own thinking about marriage came when a longtime
friend proposed about five years ago. He and I had attended college together,
dated briefly, then kept in touch through the years. We built a solid
friendship, which I believe is a good foundation for a successful marriage.
But -- if we had married, I would have had to relocate to the Midwest. Been
there, done that, didn't like it. I would have had to become a stepmother and,
although I felt an easy camaraderie with his son, stepmotherhood is usually
a bumpy ride. I wanted a house and couldn't afford one alone. But I knew that
if I was willing to make some changes, I eventually could.
As I reviewed the situation, I realized that all the things I expected
marriage to confer -- male companionship, close family ties, a house -- I already
had, or were within reach, and with exponentially less drama. I can do bad by
myself, I used to say as I exited a relationship. But the truth is, I can do
pretty good by myself, too.
Most single black women over the age of 30 whom I know would not mind
getting married, but acknowledge that the kind of man and the quality of marriage
they would like to have may not be likely, and they are not desperate enough
to simply accept any situation just to have a man. A number of my married
friends complain that taking care of their husbands feels like having an
additional child to raise. Then there's the fact that marriage apparently can be
hazardous to the health of black women. A recent study by the Institute for
American Values, a nonpartisan think tank in New York City, indicates that married
African American women are less healthy than their single sisters.
By design or by default, black women cultivate those skills that allow them
to maintain themselves (or sometimes even to prosper) without a mate.
"If Jesus Christ bought me an engagement ring, I wouldn't take it," a
separated thirty-something friend told me. "I'd tell Jesus we could date, but we
couldn't marry."
And here's the new twist. African American women aren't the only ones
deciding that they can make do alone. Often what happens in black America is a sign
of what the rest of America can eventually expect. In his 2003 book,
"Mismatch: The Growing Gulf between Women and Men," Andrew Hacker noted that the
structure of white families is evolving in the direction of that of black
families of the 1960s. In 1960, 67 percent of black families were headed by a
husband and wife, compared to 90.9 percent for whites. By 2000, the figure for
white families had dropped to 79.8 percent. Births to unwed white mothers were
22.5 percent in 2001, compared to 2.3 percent in 1960. So my student who
thought marriage is for white people may have to rethink that in the future.
Still, does this mean that marriage is going the way of the phonograph and
the typewriter ribbon?
"I hope it isn't," said one friend who's been married for seven years. "The
divorce rate is 50 percent, but people remarry. People want to be married. I
don't think it's going out of style."
A black male acquaintance had a different prediction. "I don't believe
marriage is going to be extinct, but I think you'll see fewer people married," he
said. "It's a bad thing. I believe it takes the traditional family -- a man
and a woman -- to raise kids." He has worked with troubled adolescents, and has
observed that "the girls who are in the most trouble and who are abused the
most -- the father is absent. And the same is true for the boys, too." He
believes that his presence and example in the home is why both his sons decided
to marry when their girlfriends became pregnant.
But human nature being what it is, if marriage is to flourish -- in black or
white America -- it will have to offer an individual woman something more
than a business alliance, a panacea for what ails the community, or an incubator
for rearing children. As one woman said, "If it weren't for the intangibles,
the allure of the lovey-dovey stuff, I wouldn't have gotten married. The
benefits of marriage are his character and his caring. If not for that, why
bother?"
© 2006 The Washington Post Company

Posted By: VICSKEYAS MOORE
Wednesday, March 29th 2006 at 1:23PM
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"God" ordained marriage for people. The Bible states and remember that the Bible is neutral gender that "He who findeth a wife, findeth a good thing and receiveth favor from the Lord".
This is a covenant for everyone not just white folks. This is devils deceit through media from the source of the article.
Also if black people were the first people on this planet and life started in the Garden of eden near the Euphrates river, well You add the rest.
Science has proven white people are descendents of black people.
This is like black people have created most of the inventions and math of the world.
They say those black Egyptian children played trigonometry games in the sand.
White folks have gotten into our music from rock n roll to rap............
I can go all, day here.
I think the gist of what I am saying is enough.

Good thought provoking blog.

Remember we went through slavery where sistahs had babies under trees and went back to work and those babies survived and black men endured children being sold and their wives and children male or female raped, tortured, burned, beaten and rhe black women held her family together despite the children being sold, raped male or female and support to the husband who felt less than a man and many would be abused by the black man most frustrated.............................

And then a hundred years later articles and stats by white people and supported by some sistahs and believed by the younger generation because it says so.

This is how I feel and my comments.

I see the genocide, hurt, pain, deaths, rapes etc. being mocked, ridiculed, disregarded, ignored, plotted(like the document on how to get us to believe certain things and divide us) etc.etc.etc.etc.

Black men are attacked everyday and called weak in which this implies not a male or is a female. Some sistahs do this regularly and are the loudest in saying all the negatives of those being negative and those who have good bases but are not perfect but seek flaws so they can say what is wrong with them....
Self should start with self...............

Luv Ms. Vicskeyas, I am speaking against this article and the writer of this article not the person.
Just clarifying for any few that may take out of context.
Peace!

p.s. When will we stop letting white folks define us and this person got this from a little white boy that spoke out. Is there a match in mentality and backed up with a few stats and where did that little white boy learn that from and why?
What came 1st the chicken or the egg?
Wednesday, March 29th 2006 at 2:04PM
WILLIAM W. HEMMANS III
Hint, God created the Chicken and the chicken passed on to the egg and the chicken and the egg were influenced by the snake and.........
Wednesday, March 29th 2006 at 2:05PM
WILLIAM W. HEMMANS III
I totally agree with you William. I do not like the article personally. I think that WE as black people need to define who WE are and not allow society to do so. I am not married because I am working on me. It has nothing to do with what the brothas are doing. I will get married someday to a BLACK MAN!!! And I do not care if I am 28 or 48...it is going to happen. I refuse to be placed in a box and I am tired of being analyzed. I am also tired of US as black people allowing ourselves to be put in that box......Thank you William for you comment!!
Wednesday, March 29th 2006 at 3:01PM
VICSKEYAS MOORE
I am 32 and I will be married to the man God has ORDAINED for me. It is what God said and that Settles it. It is not Good for man to be alone but God was speaking in a Biblical sense. In Proverbs it talks about "HE that Finds a WIFE finds a good thin!" In the Bible God tells us to be specific in what we want. So if you are a tithe payer and a seed sower and you are faithful to the work of God God has to give you the desires of your heart. So where we as a race are falling is that WE the Women are looking for love and not letting the man pursue her. So open up your to God and Seek ye first the Kingdome of Heaven and his righteousness and all of these things will be added unto you.
Rememebr to Love God and and to Love Like God and forgive those who has caused past hurt. Be Blessed
Wednesday, March 29th 2006 at 6:24PM
lisa allen
"Children say the darndest things" according to Bill Cosby. It is true. This communique by a child is a stark reality that if an adult is perceptive, at the least, they should be in awe that a child could frame such an imporant empirical observation into 'chunks' they can manage.

It shows the analysis that children can apply to a contexual society. Wow and we think children are not ready for a dialogue on societyal ills! I agree Vickeyas that the statment by the child bespeaks of a socially-ill heterodom. What I mean by this is that the male and female counterpart system percolates a serious flaw that lends itself to alternatives-or shall I say makes alternatives to heteros*xuality more palatable.

I have read studies for example they say that not only is the divorce rate amongst homos*xuals almost nill-comparatively, but they have higher earnings and are less violent and blah blah blah. This would make one believe that being queer or gay or lesbian or homos*xual is the better paradigm of liviing in this world. Or being White assures one of marital bliss! Not!

My statements are all related to marriage or commiting to another person for support, s*x, and socialization over the long-term.

Marriage for White People is really a misnomer, at best though-it shows the lack of experience and critical thinking on the part of a child. For example, more whites divorce than blacks numerically, proportionally, too, if they marry more. Since, it is presumed that Blacks do not marry in high numbers then they cannot have a higher divorce rate per se. Now Blacks may have more bastard children-in the westernized way of looking at it (children born out of wedlock!)

That does not mean that Black babies are less loved-on the contrary! I spoke to this in another blog about Westernized this and westernized that....The east have very viable social institutions that are longer lasting than ours here in the West with less divorce and more community commitment and they have ten times more complex societal issues than we do, by the sheer number in their communities.

Marriage is for insane people! Now, I do jest, but one would have to be insane in this society to marry someone who has a polyana outlook on what it takes to make a successful bond and co-habitation work!


Dwight

P.S. remember children believe "Dogs could talk if they want to, and that clouds are cotton candy" how many of us believe that!
Thursday, March 30th 2006 at 9:47AM
B. Dwight Foster, B.A., MS-MANAGEMENT
Hey VICSKEYAS

I feel You 100% Sis and am with You for what You seek for You. I know that You will get there and I commend what present in boldness.
Thanx for giving me a heads up on the blog.
Peace
Thursday, March 30th 2006 at 2:25PM
WILLIAM W. HEMMANS III
Alright Dwight... you took the comparison thing a bit far...but I am going to go with it and make this comment according to what you gave me... the reason east has a lower rate in divorce is because...what we call cheating here, they call marriage to many wives. They do not have the problems that we have because many of the societies over east are male dominated and women are more accepting because that is what they were taught....they do not know differently, it is a part of their culture. Here we have free-will and polygamy is illegal. I disagree with the artticle because it is defining who we are in marriage as Black people. I also agree with Lisa beacuse females do go out looking for a mate instead of allowing a guy to come to you. Desperation is cause for heartache in the end and I do not believe that many of us realize that. So let me add on to my statement and say when my husband finds me.....I will get married!!!
Friday, March 31st 2006 at 11:51AM
VICSKEYAS MOORE
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