About Mr. Marvin Muhammad the Son of Man and I two night ago,

Nice spin Harry. Are you boasting about how many times you were put on mute?

But you did get in the plum trees and avocado trees and bluebirds and ravens.

Dumb-ass Steve,

Why do you think he put me on mute? You are not an up right person. You have always been against me no matter what am I right.

Since you can admit that I got the plum and preach tree examples in that should tell anyone with good sense and objectiveness that because I was giving such wisdom that ripped across the things he believe he muted me.

Wouldn’t you admit that I had a difficult time getting him to admit that prophets are racial different?

Haven’t you admitted to me the tricks you pull when some one have you cornered? You are just as no good and as stupid as the Son of Man is because you can’t admit when you are wrong especially not to me.

Harry you did fail in getting him to throw away the scriptures.

Be honest Harry. You have a bad habit of talking over people.

This man, when I was talking to him, I was always heard through and there was always a pause when I was finished to be sure I was finished. It's a simple back and forth Harry, basic respect.

Hello Steve,

Firstly, let’s understand that Minister Mr. Marvin Muhammad invited me to debate him. He is the challenger and therefore the right of way is in my favor. So, I was not over talking him. He would not answer the tough questions I put to him. Instead, he would constantly go off on to something else and that frustrated me.
He did no better by putting me on mute than what these sorry ass BIA members do to me as well when they block and delete me.

You said that he was respectful to you and allowed you to finish and that is because you do not present any threat to him as I do. Don’t you recognize that the same people on this site that blocks me do not block you because you are not a danger to them and what they stand for, but I am a danger?

For example, which Black American would tell the other Black American to throw away the Arabian scriptures and the Jewish/European Bible scriptures? None of would give that advice am I right.
I gave Mr. Muhammad that advice because he is not an Arab to embrace the Quran and he is not a Jewish/European Gentile to embrace the Bible and nothing can top my reason why he as a Black American man should throw away scriptures that don’t belong to him.

Consequentially, I am the clear and present danger to what my people believe, but I am not. The Children of Israel thought that Moses was a clear and present danger because Moses stood against the mis-education of the Children of Israel.

And why were you on the Son of Man's program Harry, instead of vice-versa? Because you don't have a program Harry, you're a one-man show. One PC, one mic, one dragon speech recognition, that's it. A big fat ONE! No followers Harry, just a BIG FAT ONE!

wow!! So Steve you listened in on the show?

I listened in on the whole debate and then spoke with the man myself afterwards. I'll be on next Wed. if you want to listen in.

cool... make sure u email me the info...
if you post it onn a blog.... i'll forget where i saw it....

So what are you saying... Harry had one of his tantrums and they had to shut off his mic?

when that was a chance for him to expand on his teachings of LIFE and his PROPHETism! and he failed the first rule ---- i hope he didn't resort to the name calling, potty mouth and just down right actin daa fool!!

Harry did just like he does here. He talked over the man to the point he had to be muted. Their website has the meeting times, phone number and access code here:
http://www.thenewnationofislam.com/index.p...

He did refrain from name calling, but other than that it was vintage Harry.

Greetings. First I want to set the record right. When I first talked to Mr. Harry Watley on the phone and a personal blog, I told him I found some of the things he was saying to the members of BIA "interesting". I never told Mr. Harry Watley I was "impressed". (smile) While Mr. Harry Watley is claiming victory with his debate (open forum) with the son of man, it was he who left the room. Then the meeting continued on with a question and answer session with Mr. Steve Williams. However you don't have to take mine or Mr. Harry Watley opinion of what really happen, you can simply contact me and get a copy of the meeting or I can direct your path to how you can listen on the internet. I can be reached via email:armuhammad@alcorn.edu or anyone can call me: 225 229 1788.

oh snap!!!
so how did you get oon the show? Was it a question and answer type format? Or just callers call in and make statements and the panel responds?

They have invited guests, and then they will ask if anyone would like to question or comment and *6 will get you on air.

anyone who would like to be a guest on our program can contact me.

we all know harry is a lie ,,,its in his DNA ,,,,,,,,
its like the people downtown L.A . screaming I am the lord,im the son of man I am god ,
yea right ,,,, 2 Timothy 3 There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,,,mt 5 17"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

run the ferocious wolves are on the loose !

Hello Mr. Asail,

You want to split hairs with me between the word interesting and impress am I right. However, I am more exact using my own word impress than you are uses your own word interesting describing the situation.

Let me tell you what was happening in your mind. But, first let me say this. Something that is interesting occupies the mind. Interest is the power of excitement.

You had not mentioned what in particular I said among all the others things I’ve said that you found interesting so I will go heard and narrow it down to this one thing that prophets are racially different.
The wisdom of that statement excited your interest above average.

Now, let us look at the word I used, impress, and show you that it is a more actuate word to describe the situation. Impress not only means interest, but it also worth remembering. What I was saying was so captivating that it rose above the interest to the level of impressed that required a debate with your leader the son of man am I right.

So, would you agree with me now that I used the better word than you did?

Mr. Marvin Muhammad is not God’s choice. I am God’s choice. It is I that gets revelations from God as all the racially different prophets before me got from the same God.

It is through me that God will make us a new nation in a country of our own and we will finally be a sovereign free and real people.

Let be leave you with this, do you know how prophets comes into existence?

ferocious wolves are on the loose

Steve,

No, I won’t be listening in because you and Mr. Marvin will not be discussing the Black America’s only permanent solution which is sovereignty. You all will not be dialoguing why prophets are racially different. You all will not be discussing that Black Americans are a new race of people born out of the ashes of plantation slavery.

You have made it clear me that you do not want Black Americans to become a nation and have sovereignty.

Mr. Marvin is a dumb-ass because he wants to be an Arabian man while he is a Black American man. The scriptures of the Arabian people can do nothing for him because he is not an Arabian, yet he thinks he must keep it. Why would you burden you self something that can not help; only an ignorant person would do that am I right.

So, it would be a waste of my time to listen in right.

I don't know who will be listening Harry, only that I enjoyed talking to the man and I'm looking forward to further conversation with him.

Harry you ain't got no gotdamn right to talk bad about nobody cause you ain't no better than him

Steve,

That is fine with me.

The Son of Man is an interesting title, and that is what we talked about after Harry left. Mr. Muhammad gave me some references that I will look at more closely in light of what he told me, but my own understanding of Son of Man is that it's how God addressed Ezekiel, and it means Mortal. If we are all mortal, how can we be so sure about things immortal, i.e. that our religion is the one correct religion?

Harry I'm not proving jack **** to you. Your writings is more than enough documented proof!

Mr. Harry Watley blog is being discussed tonight. Like I said earlier whomever wants to be part of our meeting just let me know and I can make arrangements. Even the member of the five percent nation.

Im listening to this guy and HE sounds like a fool ! he is not a good speaker ,slow ! wacko

why don't you call into the meeting and speak your mind(smile) 712 432 0075 access code 912932#

i did ,,I Liston,,,,the guy is a nut ! i dont do crazy !

oh my....
Nut??

SIS IM TELLING YOU THIS GUY AND DUMB ASS HARRY
both of them are nuts !

ok DJ. You have right to your opinion.

don't take his word for it, call and listen for yourself Cynthia

DJ I liked the clip you posted of dr. Martin Luther king jr

LOL!!! Thanks for the Heads up..... I ain't got time for the madness....

Hello to all,

I notice that none of you all never address any question I put out there publicly or any question I put directly one of you.

I am being talked about, but I can not be part of the dialogue. Don’t you think that is wrong?
Why you all do that is because your second mind tells you that my wisdom, analytical reasoning and logic is well, well above any of you and so none of you want to engage with me and that shows you all are arrogant and highly ignorant.

I am here for the benefit of us Black Americans and your ignorant ego talking to your first mind tells you to stay back because I will chew you all alive.

I’ll tell you again, you don’t need to be afraid of me. You are my people and I love all of you.

David Johnson wrote "Im listening to this guy and HE sounds like a fool !"

YOU AIN'T NEVA LIED MY BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://blackinamerica.com/cgi-bin/blog.cgi...

((I’ll tell you again, you don’t need to be afraid of me. You are my people and I love all of you.))

``~~~~HARRY.... Now really ...(smh)..~~``

Hello,

We back at square one and we will always be at ground zero if all we can do is name call to discredit a person to make our selves larger than we are.

For example, David says we are fools, but he doesn’t come out and substantiate it the adjective fool. So, who really are a fool if it is not the dumb-ass David Johnson and Cynthia?

Take a look at Cynthia’s respond to me. She says, HARRY, Now really. What the hell is this stupid ass woman saying? What the FU*K is HARRY, Now really? Is she substantiating anything, hell no!
How she makes it through the day with out cutting her fingers off while preparing a meal for her two sons is just baffling to me that she would know the right side of the knife to use.

No one but me come out and substantiates how you all are wrong. What the rest of you do is nothing but name calling to discredit others who you all don’t agree with and that is not being intelligent or analytical am I right.

I have an IQ of 68 and yet I can out think all of you. Now isn’t something?

Greetings members. Even thou we may be black people of different opinions and different schools of thought. We don't need to result to cursing and name calling just because we don't agree with someones philosophy. There are women, ladies and perhaps younger people who read these blog. So perhaps we can communicate on a higher level and leave off the name calling and cursing.
One thing i do agree with Mr. Harry Watley is that we need to be free in a land or territory of our own. But if Mr. Watley would be true to us and himself and admit that that idea was not his. That idea originated with the Honorable Elijah Muhammad . I also agree with Mr. Harry Watley that someone is going to have to lead us to our independence. I disagree he is that one. If you check out our history (sojourned) in america the pass 400 plus year there has always been a person who has been trying to restore the black man in america to his natural state. Get him to do for himself and not be so dependent upon other to provide his needs. If you would be honest while studying our history in america, the most successful person to set us on that road was the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. The messenger never claim to be that "one" who would lead us to total independence. Part of his mission was to let you know the "one" was coming and that "one" would come form among us, the black man in america. So the question is, who is "THAT ONE".

azali muhammad
ARE YOU a new member of this site ?

black are not falling for the BS without real proof ,,,this site will rip you to shreds if you dont have verifiable proof /scholarship facts not just talk ,,,,, especially when it comes to religion !

Take a look at Cynthia’s respond to me. She says, HARRY, Now really. What the hell is this stupid ass woman saying? What the FU*K is HARRY, Now really? Is she substantiating
-----------stop lying........... where in the heckie did you get that from?------


anything, hell no!
How she makes it through the day with out cutting her fingers off while preparing a meal for her two sons is just baffling to me that she would know the right side of the knife to use.

------I use a butter knife ------ that way no one gets hurt!!
Really Harry

you have the 68iq...
stop your madness now in the name of LIFE!!!

Yes David Johnson not only am I new to this site, this is the first time i have ever taken part in a blog session. So i will take your advice to heart and thank you for the heads up. I am mainly here as a beacon light for the NNOI. Part of my function is to find people who believe as i believe and invite those who don't yet believe to come and listen to or come visit our Islamic community. I came across this site while surfing for some teaching of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. While surfing "Prophet Harry Watley" name appeared in my search so i traced him here. And i agree with you, that if anyone wants to sell us, the black nation, any sort of self help program, you better be able to show us proof. But i assure you i am non-confrontational. i don't take the black man or the black woman for an enemy, we are one. What we chose to believe or not believe keeps us divided and attacking each other.

well Brotha Muhammad... I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt
but ((While surfing "Prophet Harry Watley" )) that fish ain't bittin' ... Prophet Harry "but not" Watley.... sorry

on a more serious not... A Muhammad...
Do you have any videos or audio files of Son of Man that you can post?

azali muhammad ,you are engage w senior members of this site and we have seen them come and go most of us have been here for 3 yrs or more and religion is a hot topic because there is a lot of different religious beliefs as you know everyone wants to have the right one !

Harry is another case ,,a mental case a run away from a insane asylum,he has been on every website that will allow him to spew his madness most member have blocked hin from commenting on their post because he says the same thing over and over with no real valid proof ,not that has substance to logical thinking so he is the town clown ,,,

be advise that your effort to bring people to the NNOI will be placed in the basket with Harry ,,as you can read on your post ,,,,people are hip to this tooo!

the best way to get along on this site is bring something we can all talk about besides religion ! ...good luck !

here is one of the best blogs about religion ,,if you can get past this then you will have the attention your requesting !
http://blackinamerica.com/content/185652/s...

Yes, as my brother says... Religion will get you "deleted" off this site... LOL

Always it's wise to interject your religious opinions .... cautiously and slowly....

Cynthia, there's lots of recorded discussions/debates on their website:

http://www.thenewnationofislam.com/index.p...

I listened to the one with Curtis back before his blog was deleted. I'll find and post it.

Hello Mr. Azail Muhammad,

Mr. Elijah Muhammad wanted separation either in this country or elsewhere. Elijah’s thing was for Black Americans to separation the White American Devil am I right.

Well, I don’t want separation. I want sovereignty and this idea came to me directly from God to me as the idea of the Exodus came directly from the same God to Prophet Moses.

Sovereignty and separation are two different things. The Native American Indians are separated, but when ever they want to build a casino they have to get permission from White America. I don’t want a separation set-up like Elijah wanted. I want sovereignty. Sovereignty is the highest state of living for any people.

I am wiser than Mr. Elijah Muhammad could ever have hoped to be. Elijah had the wisdom of another man Mr. Rard Muhammad, but I have the wisdom and guidance of God.

I didn’t take any idea from Elijah because Elijah couldn’t think and reason high enough to present sovereignty to us as our only way out, but I did.

Published on Jul 10, 2012
www.thenewnationofislam.com

The Son of Man, the leader and teacher of the New Nation of Islam, has a discussion with Pastor Curt Tilleraas.

Pastor Tilleraas serves as a Lutheran pastor at North Immanuel Lutheran Church, a rural church outside of Pelican Rapids, Minnesota. He is the author of "This Side of Paradise: The Religious World of Elijah Muhammad".

(This broadcast aired in Detroit, Michigan Friday June 22, 2012 on WHPR radio and TV33)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...

In the interview the Son of Man quotes from the Arabian Quran am I right.
When I was on his radio show I told him to put down the Quran because the Quran is only about the Arabian people and their experience with God during the life of Prophet Mohammed and the Arabian people has nothing to do with Black Americans. Black Americans will soon write our own scriptures as the Arabian people wrote their.

The Son of Man is of no spiritual use to Black Americans as well as Curtis T.

Hello Mr. Azail Muhammad,

Do you believe that prophets are racially different and prophets are produced by their own people and so that is why we are racially different because the world of people is racially different?

Am I analytically reasoning properly?

Ok DJ, i will walk softly and not carry a big stick. (smile) and yes Mrs./Ms. Artis, there is plenty of audio and videos of the son of man's teaching on line. On our web site and on youtube. However I personally make a video recording (DVD) of our Sunday meetings. If you like, i can send you a copy of a Sunday meeting, for free of course. Just send me an address I will put one in the mail for you. Not to sure quite how to post anything on this site. Not that computer savvy. (smile) But i am sure i can get someone to teach me how. We don't hide what we teach, nor do we sale it for a profit. Mr. Harry Watley I am not interested in a religious question and answer session with people who heard what we teach, then choose to disbelieve what we teach. What we teach is not appealing to everyone. Once i get a person to listen to what we teach i am done with that person, as for as religion goes. I am a agriculture research tech. at Alcorn State University. That is my field in which i do question and answer session. (smile) All of our meeting ends with a question and answer session, so feel free to call in and ask questions about religion anytime.

Hello Mr. Azail,

You said this, “Mr. Harry Watley I am not interest in a religious question and answer session with people who heard what we teach, then choose to disbelieve what we teach.

You may not see for your self in between the lines of what you said, so I will psychologically explain your mind thinking and personality.

You are an arrogant man and an arrogant man is an ignorant man. You are arrogant because you are single handedly assuming that your position is right no matter what and that is the height of arrogance and therefore you have no reasoning in you.

I don’t have a bone of arrogance in my body even though I am our anointed prophet. God come to me all the time and a while back when God came to be and gave me the revelation that prophets are racially different God said that I don’t have to take God’s word and that I should check it out for myself.

All prophets have the right to question God. Job questioned God. Mohammed questioned God. Moses questioned God.

So, I checked out the revelation to see for myself if prophets are racially different and I saw that it is true that prophets are racially different.

Now, I have valid reasons to disbelieve what you all are teaching, but because of your arrogance you want to unjustly penalize me. So, in fact what you are saying is that I must believe your all even when you all are wrong.

You all are wrong to follow the other people’s scriptures and prophets instead of your own prophet and write our own scriptures.

Pound for pound you thought that you all instigated my divine wisdom. You thought that I was just another average Black American saying that I am a prophet, but there isn’t really anything to it. That all changed during the dialogue I had with your Marvin am I right.

I came out ahead when I pressed your leader and he conceded the my revelation that prophets are racially different was true after wrangling with him for at least 10 minutes before he conceded.

Prophets gives revelations and that is what I did because Marvin had not known before I told him that prophets are racially different. Immediately you all can see that having the Arabian religion of Islam you all are wrong. You all can see that acknowledging all the prophets and me and I am your prophet you all are wrong.

The bottom line is that I move all of you from the wrongful position that you all are standing on while my position as Black America’s first genuine prophet still stands.

Yes, I rightfully claim victory.

You all are a bunch of liars and cowards as the 5 percenter Mr. Truth said you all are.

You heard it from me that all Black Americans will come to follow me and those that don’t will perish and not enter into our country and all this will happen in my life-time.

Azali, I believe you had said previously that a recording could be made available? I was on the call live as you know, but if you could direct me to where to listen again, I'd appreciate it. I think Harry's memory needs refreshing.

Steve,

Since you were listening in the night I went toe to toe with Marvin Muhammad do you recall the question I asked and his answer is it true that prophets are racially different? That was the most important part and the high light of the debate. Nothing else said was as important as his answer that he admitted I am right that prophets are racially different. That fact opened his eyes that he and his followers were on the wrong side of the fence since they openly follow the words of other prophets that are not Black Americans instead of following their own Prophet Harry.

So, precisely what is it that my mind needs a refresher on? You express your self with a lot of holes or blank spaces. You say I need a mind refresher, but you don’t say what I need refreshing in and that is because I really have it right and you have it wrong. If you had it right you would have said with out hesitation what it is I need a mind refreshing in stupid!

I personally think that they don’t keep tapes when their leader comes up short in a debate.

Harry,

He never said you were right about prophets are matched to their race. Of course the way you were talking over him it was hard to hear what he was saying. Which is why you got muted.

lol...

Harry will go to any length to be validated ,this is sad !

lol. my man sounds like a scratched record or a cd that is scratched. it says the same thing over and over again. yes mr steve i will post the debate on BIA. So any member who want to listen can do so. and thanks for the "welcome to BIA Cynthia Merrill Artis.

Azali,

I had a good time at the meeting tonight, both the political discussion and the opportunity to speak with the Son of Man again. I'll be back Friday.

David and Azail,

David opens with this, ‘Harry will go to any length to be validated…” Mr. Azail opens with this, “my man sounds like a scratched record…”

Any dumb-ass idiot can see that they are expressing their personal feelings and these feelings are no more than criticism.

If you notice they have given no facts or analytical reasoning because they know that I am right and they are wrong. If they were right they would include tons of facts to talk about and show that I am wrong. They have no talking points. All they put forth was their negative feelings about me because they don’t like me.

I can not argue with personal feelings, but I can argue and defend my self if there were facts I could deal with.

AZ... most welcome....
yes... Harry is stuck on repeat.... LOL

remember back in the day.... on vinly sometimes the record would just repeat... repeat... repeat..... then the needle would just skid all the way to the end/label of the lp....

well my poor brother Harry's microphone just sticks.....

Ii Ii Ii Ii Ii want da knife!!! (a scene from the Golden Child with Eddie Murphy)

Cynthia,

i am not even going to waste my time responding to your stupid criticism. You are just as stupid as David and Azail is.

I want facts, logic and analytical reasoning.

Facts, logic and analytical reasoning. These you must find first within yourself Grasshopper.

Lol! Funny stuff Cynthia!. Poor Mr. Watley I dont dislike you. If you are black then you are my brother. We just have different beliefs . To you is yours and to me is mind. I am at peace where I am. And I hope you are at peace where you are at. That is just great Mr. Steve, that you enjoyed our meeting. Looking forward to you returning Friday to ask more questions. The son of man really enjoyed having you. You will have time Friday to introduce yourself to our listening community.

Let’s see who logic and analytical reasoning is in. I see that a Chinese and a Black American man are racially different from each other do you see the same?

How would define the differences of these two men starting with the fact that they each come from two different country.

Mr. Azail,

It is the wrong attitude to have when you say we have different beliefs and to you your belief and to me my belief because that is what has been keeping us Black Americans separated for 500 years when the object is for us to be united since we are one race.

Who can unite the Muslims and Christians believing Black American people, but God? And, how would God unite us except through an anointed Black American prophet who has not embraced the way and religion of other people as you and Mr. Marvin Muhammad have?

You don’t like because I am showing you that you are wrong about sucking-up to the Arabian people and their Prophet Mohammed and you all are not Arab people. Nobody really likes to be wrong.

You can not live down the fact that you all are being led by the ways, customs and rituals of the Arabian people and that is wrong because you all are Black American people. Black Americans and Arabian people are two people that are distinctly racially different.

Mr. Marvin and you must pair up with the prophet of your own race as the Arabian and Jewish people paired up with the prophets of their own race Black Americans must do the same to on the right side of divine history as it is unfolding.

In the days of Moses only two Hebrew were on the right side of divine history as it was unfolding and it was only them two that entered the Promise Land.

Am I right?

So, it is the wrong attitude to have when you say to you yours and to me mines. In fact, that is what the disbelieves said to Mohammed when he was bring them the religion of Islam and you are saying the same thing to me as though I am Mohammed and you are the disbeliever.