What kind of break am I taking that may become permanent?

Harry,

About your assumption as to the origins of the Black American race, could you comment on the following please? Let's not get hung up on African American or Black American. The following excerpt is talking about the same people, regardless of the words used to name them.

"Since so many free African Americans were light-skinned, many observers assume that they were the offspring of white slave owners who took advantage of their female slaves. Only three of the approximately four hundred families in this history was proven to descend from a white slave owner. They were the children of South Carolina planters: Collins, Holman, and Pendarvis. Like their fathers, they were wealthy slave owners who were accepted in white society."

http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/introd...

Steve,

You remind me of the old slave master. So, you and another White man, Mr. Hienegg can challenge and define who Black Americans are?
Well you can’t. I have shown my Black American people who they are and how they got here and you will address me as a Black American and nothing else if you want me to respond to you.

Normally, if we all were living back 150 years age you have me tired to a tree and wiped until I said that my name was Toby instead of Kunta Kenta am I right.

Now, today if you were a decent White man you wouldn’t have any problem addressing my people and me as Black Americans because we are not African people.

Almost all of my Black American people are ignorant and stupid from the hang-over of plantation slavery and that includes Cynthia and David, but I am not and I am my people’s prophet.

Damn Harry, what part of don't get stuck on African American don't you get? I am reporting the findings of an author who for years researched historical, yes HISTORICAL records. You can either refute the historical record or hide behind some artificial excuse about the correct nomenclature for descendants of Africans in the American colonies and later the nation of America. Run Harry, RUN, but you cannot hide!

WILLIAMS FAMILY

1. John Williams, born say 1654, was the "Molatto" servant of Mr. Martin Gardner on 26 April 1675 when the York County court ordered that he receive thirty lashes for stealing a hog. The court also prohibited his master from furnishing him with powder and shot or allowing him to carry a gun [DWO 5:110]. He may have been the ancestor of

i. Faith, born say 1720, presented by the Surry County, Virginia court on 18 May 1739 for having a "Malato bastard Child" by information of Capt. John Ruffin [Deeds, Wills #9:54].

2 ii. William1, born about 1723.

3 iii. Mary, born say 1725.

iv. Hannah1, born say 1734, a "free negro" taxable in Norfolk County from 1752 to 1765, taxable in her own household in 1752, in Ann James's household in 1757, in her own household in 1759, and taxable with (her husband) Till/ Tully Williams from 1765 to 1767 and with Tell and (their daughter?) Mary Williams in 1768 [Wingo, Norfolk County Tithables, 1751-66, 33, 120, 147, 165, 213; 1766-80, 39, 86]. Hannah may have been the mother of Fanny Williams, a "free Mullatto" bound by the Princess Anne County court to Anthony Walke on 17 June 1760 to learn to read, sew and knit [Minutes 1753-62, 384]. A suit brought by James Anderson against Till Williams and Hannah his wife was dismissed by the City of Norfolk Hustings Court on 23 November 1767, and Till was sued in the same court by John Calvert on 25 October 1773 [Orders 1761-9, 156; 1770-82, 206a]. A deed from Tully Williams and his wife Tamer to William Capps was proved in Princess Anne County court on 4 July 1791, and on 3 July 1792 the overseers of the poor of the upper district of the Eastern Shore were ordered to bind his orphan Anne Williams to Ann Whitehead [Minutes 1790-2, 121, 292].

v. Polly, born about 1785, registered in York County on 18 March 1833: a bright Mulatto about 48 years of age ... light gray Eyes, long hair which is a little gray ... Born free [Free Negroes Register 1831-50, no. 345].



2. William1 Williams, born about 1723, was a thirty-three-year-old, 5'6" Virginia "Negro" planter who was listed in the 13 July 1756 roll of Captain Henry Harrison's Company, drafted in Surry County, Virginia [Clark, Colonial Soldiers of the South, 390]. He may have been the father of

i. William2, born say 1758, called "Billy Williams a Mulatto" on 15 April 1760 when the Surry County court ordered the churchwardens of Southwarke Parish to bind him out [Orders 1757-63, 236]. He was taxable in Surry County in 1783 [Personal Property Tax List, 1782-90, frame 367].

4 ii. James2, born about 1762.



3. Mary Williams, born say 1725, was living in Warwick County on 1 May 1760 when the court ordered the churchwardens of Warwick Parish to bind out her children Davy, James, Godfrey, Matt, Sarah, Jack, Mary and Will "for reasons appearing to the court." Her children were described as "Mulattoes" when the indentures were certified in court on 3 July 1760. On 7 August 1760 the churchwardens charged her with bearing a bastard child, but the case was dismissed at the next session of the court on 4 September [Minutes 1748-62, 322, 325, 334, 337]. She was the mother of

i. David, born say 1743, bound to Harwood Jones in Warwick County on 3 July 1760. At the next session of the court on 7 August, Moses Collikin testified that David had absented himself from the service of Jones for twenty eight days. And on 4 September Jones reported that David had absented himself another nine days [Minutes 1748-62, 325, 334, 335]. He was probably the David Williams who died before 15 April 1793 when John Williams was granted administration on his York County estate with John Wright and Edward Cuttillo as his securities [Orders 1788-95, 548].

5 ii. James1, born say 1745.

6 iii. Godfrey, born say 1747.

iv. Sarah, born say 1752.

7 v. John, born say 1754.

8 vi. Matthew, born about 1755.

vii. Mary, born say 1756.

9 viii. William3, born say 1759.



4. James2 Williams, born about 1762, was taxable in Surry County from 1783 to 1816: charged with Solomon Williams' tithe from 1801 to 1803; called a "Man of Color" in 1805; a "Mulatto" from 1806 to 1812; listed with 2 "free Negroes & Mulattoes above the age of 16" in 1813 [Personal Property Tax List, 1782-90, frames 373, 398, 606; 1791-1816, 18, 170, 275, 349, 429, 466, 504, 546, 602, 618, 659, 677, 716, 762, 871]. He registered as a "free Negro" in Surry County, Virginia, on 17 February 1797: a mulattoe man pretty dark complexion born of free parents resident of this County, aged about 35, thin visage and rather slender made - 5'10-1/2" [Back of Guardians Accounts Book, no.22]. He was counted in the 1803 census of "Free Negroes and Mulattos" in Surry County with his wife Molly and their children: Sollomon, (a labourer), Caty, Samuel, James, Hannah, and Elijah on Mrs. Marston's land. He married, second, Pamelia Debrix, thirty-five years old, 6 November 1813 Surry County bond, Nicholas Scott, surety. His children were

i. Solomon, born about 1782, registered in Surry County on 24 October 1804: a mulatto man of complexion more bright than otherwise, short hair, aged 21 years the 31 day of December, 1803, 5'6-1/2" high ... by occupation a Laborer, was born of free parents, residents of Surry county to wit James Williams and Mary his wife [Hudgins, Surry County Register of Free Negroes, 24].

ii. Caty, born say 1791, "daughter of James Williams," married Samuel Blizzard, 28 December 1807 Surry County bond, David Charity surety, 7 January 1808 marriage.

iii. Samuel.

iv. James3, Jr., born say 1795, married Keziah Blizzard, 25 October 1819 Surry County bond, James Williams, Sr., surety, 28 October marriage.

v. Hannah2.

vi. Elijah, born about 1801, registered in Surry County on 23 June 1823: a mulatto man, the son of Jas. Williams and Polly, his wife, he was born free supposed to be 22 years old, is of a bright complexion, pretty stout made, 5'5-3/4" high ... has a large flat Nose [Hudgins, Surry County Register of Free Negroes, 77].



5. James1 Williams, born say 1745, a "Mulatto," was bound to William Harwood, Gent., in Warwick County on 3 July 1760 [Minutes 1748-62, 325]. He was taxable in York County from 1782 to 1810: on 2 free tithes in 1790, 1796, and 1797. Perhaps his widow was Faith Williams who was taxable on 2 free tithes in 1811 [Personal Property Tax List, 1782-1841, frames 69, 166, 186, 224, 259, 300, 344, 357, 368] and head of a York County household of 7 "other free" in 1810 [VA:886]. James may have been the father of

i. William5, born say 1783, called "William Williams, Jr." when he was taxable in York County from 1804 to 1813: called a "free Negro" in 1805 and head of a household of 2 "free Negroes & mulattoes over 16" in 1813 [Personal Property Tax List, 1782-1841, frames 300, 310, 331, 357, 368, 397].

ii. Henry, born about 1791, taxable in York County in 1812 and head of a household of 2 "free Negroes & mulattoes over 16" in 1813 (probably himself and his wife) [Personal Property Tax List, 1782-1841, frames 379, 397]. He registered in York County on 17 September 1810: about 19 years of age, 5 feet 8-1/2 Inches high, fine hair, tawny complexion (rather dark), flat nose, long visage and pleasant countenance ... born free [Register of Free Negroes 1798-1831, no. 51].

iii. Sarah, born about 1793, registered in York County on 17 September 1810: a dark mulatto, about 17 years of age, 5 feet 5 Inches high ... born of free parents [Register of Free Negroes 1798-1831, no. 49].



6. Godfrey Williams, born say 1747, was head of a Warwick County household of 5 persons in 1782 [VA:45], taxable in Warwick County on a horse in 1782, 2 cattle in 1783, called a "free Negro" in 1785, a "Mulatto" in 1789 [PPTL 1782-1820, frames 215, 219, 226, 229, 238, 246], taxable in York County from 1790 to 1812 and head of a York County household of 2 "free Negroes & mulattoes over 16" in 1813 [PPTL, 1782-1841, frames 166, 186, 214, 224, 259, 290, 397]. He may have been the father of

i. Polly, born about 1785, registered in York County on 18 March 1833: a bright Mulatto about 48 years of age, 5 feet 6-1/2 Inches high, has light grey Eyes, long hair which is a little grey. Born free [Free Negroes Register 1831-1850, no. 346].

ii. Hannah, born about 1790, registered in York County on 17 September 1810: a bright mulatto, about 20 years of age, 5 feet 4 Inches high ... long hair. Born of free parents [Register of Free Negroes 1798-1831, no. 48].

iii. Maria, born about 1791, registered in York County on 17 September 1810: a tolerably bright mulatto, about 19 years of age, 5 feet 2-12 Inches high ... she is very freckled. Born of free parents [Register of Free Negroes 1798-1831, no. 49].



7. John Williams, born say 1754, was a "Mulatto" bound to William Harwood, Gent., in Warwick County on 3 July 1760. He was taxable in Nottoway Parish, Southampton County, from 1784 to 1800: charged with Jesse Ash's tithe, 2 horses and 6 cattle in 1784, called a "black" in 1788 when he was taxable on 3 free persons over the age of 16, a "free Negro" with 3 persons over 16 and 3 horses in 1795 and 1800, 1 person in 1801 and 1802, and 3 free tithables, 2 slaves and 2 horses in 1803, 2 free persons and 2 slaves in 1804, perhaps identical to John Williams "Preacher" who was taxable on 3 tithes in 1791 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-92, frames 554, 697, 860; 1792-1806, frames 149, 461, 497, 603, 674, 745]. His estate was administered in Southampton County before 1808 when his daughter Aira Byrd sued his son-in-law and executor Lemuel Clark over her part of the estate [LVA, Southampton County chancery suit 1814-017]. His widow may have been the Mary Williams who was a "F.N." taxable on a horse in Nottoway Parish, Southampton County, from 1805 to 1811, a free male tithable in 1811 [Personal Property Tax List 1792-1806, frames 787, 896; 1807-21, frames 35, 117, 153, 235] and head of a Southampton County household of 8 "other free" in 1810 [VA:78]. His children were

i. ?Jerry, born about 1782, registered in Southampton County on 14 May 1828: age 46, Yellow Bright, 5 feet 4-1/4 inches, free born [Register of Free Negroes 1794-1832, no. 1721]. He was a "F.N." taxable in Nottoway Parish, Southampton County, in 1805, 1806 and 1810 [Personal Property Tax List 1792-1806, frames 787, 896; 1807-21, frame 154].

ii. Arry/ Aira, married John Taylor, 25 December 1797 Southampton County bond and second, Aaron Byrd, 19 February 1803 Southampton County bond.

iii. Mary, married Lemuel Clark, 29 January 1795 Isle of Wight County bond, David Jones surety.



8. Matthew Williams, born about 1755, was a "Mulatto" bound to Servant Jones by the Warwick County court on 3 July 1760. He was a seventy-seven-year-old "Free Man of colour" who appeared in Southampton County court on 17 September 1832 to make a declaration to obtain a pension. He stated that he was living in Southampton County when he enlisted at Cabin Point for eighteen months. He died on 29 July 1833 [National Archives pension file S6414, http://www.fold3.com]. He was probably the Matthew Williams who married Susannah Tan, "both of Isle of Wight County," 22 December 1783 Southampton County bond. He registered in Southampton County on 12 July 1810: age 55, Blk, 5 feet 7-1/2 inches, free born. His wife was probably the Sally Williams who registered the same day: age 40, Blk., 5 feet 5 inches, free born [Register of Free Negroes 1794-1832, nos. 589, 590]. He was taxable in Nottoway Parish, Southampton County, from 1787 to 1800: called a "Black" in 1787, a "free Negro" from 1789 to 1802, listed with 3 free male tithables from 1802 to 1804, 2 male tithables in 1805, 1810 and 1811, listed with his wife Sally, daughter Sally and son Jack in 1813, taxable on his son Jack in 1814 [PPTL 1782-92, frames 627, 698, 747; 1792-1806, frames 19, 38, 149, 253, 361, 479, 604, 747, 787, 896; 1807-21, frames 35, 154, 238, 404]. He was called a "free person of colour" on 16 November 1818 when he made a declaration in Southampton County court setting forth that he was a soldier in the Revolutionary War by voluntary enlistment [Minutes 1816-9, unpaged]. He was the father of

i. John, born about 1785, registered in Southampton County on 30 June 1806: age 21, Blk., 5 feet 9-1/2 inches, free born in York [Register of Free Negroes 1794-1832, no. 389, 413]. He was head of a Southampton County household of 4 "other free" in 1810 [VA:78]. He was a "F.N." taxable in Nottoway Parish from 1807 to 1812 [Personal Property Tax List 1807-21, frames 35, 117, 153, 235, 277].

ii. Sally.



9. William3 Williams, born say 1762, and his wife Rachel, "Free Mulattoes," registered the birth of their daughter Lydia in Bruton Parish, James City and York counties [Bruton Parish Register, 35]. He was taxable in Warwick County from 1783 to 1798: taxable on 2 horses and 10 cattle in 1783 and 1786, called a "free Negro" in 1785, a "Mulatto" starting in 1789, taxable on 4 horses in 1793, 2 tithes in 1795, 1797 and 1798 [PPTL 1782-1820, frames 219, 226, 229, 233, 238, 243, 246, 250, 253, 255, 257, 267, 271, 274, 279]. He was taxable in York County from 1792 to 1806: called "William Williams, Sr." in 1804 and thereafter, called "free Negro" in 1805. In 1813 (his widow?) Rachel Williams was counted in a York County list of "free Negroes & mulattoes over 16," taxable on a horse [PPTL, 1782-1841, frames 186, 214, 280, 300, 320, 397]. William and Rachel were the parents of

i. Lydia, born 5 January 1783 [Bruton Parish Register, 35].



Other members of the Williams family were

i. William4, taxable in Elizabeth City County from 1801 to 1817: taxable on 2 tithes and 3 horses in 1801, 3 tithes and 3 horses in 1802, listed as a "Free Negro & Moll" in 1813 and 1814 [PPTL 1782-1844, frames 183, 196, 217, 225, 247, 272, 297, 318, 337, 350, 362], head of an Elizabeth City County household of 6 "other free" in 1810 [VA:185].

ii. William7, born about 1792, obtained a certificate of freedom in Gloucester County on 7 December 1822: a free tawny Coloured man about 30 years of age, 5 feet 8 inches high ... born of free parents, and registered it in York County on 17 October 1831 [Register of Free Negroes 1798-1831, no. 326].

iii. William6, a "F.N." taxable in York County in 1807 [Personal Property Tax List, 1782-1841, frame 331]. He may have been the Billy Williams who registered in York County on 21 February 1814: of dark complexion, about (blot) of age, 5 feet 6-3/4 Inches high, has high cheek bones, very short wooly hair. Born free. He renewed his registration in 1822 and 1826 [Register of Free Negroes, 1798-1831, no. 75].



Middles*x County, Virginia

1. Mary Williams, born say 1660, a "Negroe Wooman," was sued in Middles*x County court by Christopher Robinson on 3 September 1688 for a debt of 3,866 pounds of tobacco [Orders 1680-94, 371].



Westmoreland County, Virginia

1. Mary Williams, born say 1685, was the white servant of Willoughby Allerton, Gent., of the Parish of Copely, on 25 April 1705 when she was convicted by the Westmoreland County court of having a "mulatto" child by a "Negro man" [Orders 1698-1705, 256a]. She was probably the mother of

2 i. William1, born say 1704.



2. William Williams, born say 1704, was a "free Mulato" who petitioned the Westmoreland County, Virginia court for his freedom from Isaac Allerton on 31 July 1733. On 27 March 1753 the court ordered "his several Children" bound out as apprentices. And on 25 March 1755 he sued John and Spencer Ayris for detaining his children, but the court stood by its original order [Orders 1731-9, 99a; 1752-5, 60, 227, 249]. He may have been the father of

i. George, born about 1731, a soldier from Richmond County in the French and Indian War, age 26, a mulatto, 6'1", when he was listed as a deserter on 2 September 1757 [Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 31:95].



Northampton County

1. Anne Williams, born in September or October 1686, was the child of Daniel Webb, a Northampton County, Virginia slave, and Ann Williams, a white servant woman. See further the Webb History. She was called a thirteen-year-old "maletto childe" on 29 November 1699 when she was bound to Hamond Firkette until the age of eighteen years in Northampton County, Virginia [OW&c 1698-1710, 30].



Richmond County, Virginia

1. Hannah Charlton, born say 1685, was released from servitude and "given" her daughter Ann by Francis Williams, Sr., of Sittenbyrne Parish in Richmond County. She recorded the document in court on 6 December 1710. She was called "Hannah, a Mulato belonging to Francis Williams" on 6 March 1711/2 when she appeared in Richmond County court on the complaint of her master's wife, Alice Williams, that Hannah was threatening and abusing her. Hannah was ordered to give security for her good behavior for one year. On 7 July 1715 Francis Williams was presented by the Richmond County court for living in adultery with "a Mulatto Woman." And on 1 August 1716 he recorded a paper in court which set free her children: Catherine, Mary, and John Charlton [Orders 1708-11, 220; 1711-6, 8; 1716-7, 28]. Hannah was the mother of

i. Ann Williams, born say 1710, ordered to be given twenty-five lashes in March 1735/6 by the Orange County, Virginia court [Orders 1734-9, 61].

ii. Catherine Charlton, born say 1712, called Catherine Carleton alias Williams in November 1735 when the churchwardens of Orange County, Virginia, presented her for having a bastard child. John Becket agreed to pay her fine, and Francis Williams and John Haddocks provided security for the child. In March 1738 John Becket was accused in Orange County court of failing to pay tax on "Kate Williams, a Mulattoe woman" [Orders 1734-9, 42, 290].

iii. Mary Charlton, born say 1714.

iv. John Charlton, born say 1716.



Lunenburg County

1. Zedekiah Williams, born say 1775, was living with his wife Anna, daughter Lucy and (wife's niece?) Ritter Lester on Bears Element Creek in the lower district of Lunenburg County in 1802 and 1803 when they were counted in a "List of all free Negroes & Mulattoes" [LVA, Lunenburg County, Free Negro & Slave Records, 1802-1803]. Zedekiah and Anna were the parents of

i. Lucy, born 1795-1800, registered in Lunenburg County on 10 October 1825: aged about twenty five or thirty years, yellow complexion, very corpulent ... born free [WB 5, after page 89, no. 40].



Members of the Williams family in North Carolina were

1 i. James1, born about 1748.

ii. William, head of a Beaufort County household of 2 "other free" in 1800 [NC:20], 4 in 1810 [NC:113], and 5 "free colored" in 1820 [NC:42].

2 iii. Charles, born before 1776.



1. James1 Williams, born about 1748, was a thirteen-year-old "Mullatto Boy" ordered bound an apprentice to William Armstrong in Cumberland County, North Carolina, on 19 August 1761 [Minutes 1759-65, 70]. Perhaps his children were

i. Joseph, head of a Sampson County household of 4 "other free" in 1790 [NC:53].

ii. Crecy, head of a Sampson County household of 3 "other free" in 1790 [NC:53] and may have been the C. Williams, head of a Cumberland County household of 1 "other free" in 1810 [NC:627].

iii. Hannah2, head of a Sampson County household of 2 "other free" in 1790 [NC:53], perhaps the H. Williams who was head of a Cumberland County household of 2 "other free" in 1810 [NC:623].



2. Charles Williams, born before 1776, was head of an Ashe County household of 12 "free colored" in 1820 [NC:3]. He may have been the father of

i. Charles Williams Loyd, born about 1787, registered in Petersburg on 11 March 1817: a free man of colour, five feet three and a half inches high, thirty years old, a waggoner, born free & raised in the Town of Petersburg [Register of Free Negroes 1794-1819, no. 837].

ii. James Williams Loyd, born 1810, son of Charles Williams and Sally Lloyd, resided in Chillicothe, Ross County, Ohio, on 28 September 1818 [Turpin, Register of Black, Mulatto, and Poor Persons, 25]. Sally Lloyd may have been related to "Indian" Robin Loyd, a "person of color" residing in Jennings County, Indiana, about the age of eighty on 12 February 1838 when he made a declaration to obtain a pension for his services in the Revolution. He stated that he enlisted at Dinwiddie County courthouse and had resided in Dinwiddie for many years after the war, went to North Carolina for a few years, and had been living in Indiana for more than twenty years. John Grimes of Ripley County, Indiana, testified for him that Indian Robin, "a negro man," had served as a footman and also as a soldier in the light horse service. Bartholomew Turner of Jennings County testified that he had seen a "Negro man" named Indian Robin as a soldier on horseback and armed for battle [M804-1596, frame 0594].

Paul Heinegg has worked as an engineer for the past thirty years overseas in Tanzania, Liberia, and Saudi Arabia. He became interested in the history of the free African American community while researching his wife's ancestors from Northampton County, North Carolina. They descended from a community of African Americans who had been free in Virginia since the colonial period. They owned land and appeared to have been on good terms with their white neighbors.

Intrigued by what he found, Paul researched the family histories of most free African American families in North Carolina and Virginia during the colonial period and published Free African Americans of North Carolina and Virginia, which received an award from the North Carolina Genealogical Society in 1992 and the American Society of Genealogists in 1994.

Free African Americans of Maryland and Delaware will be published later this year. Both books can be read on-line at: http://freeafricanamericans.com. The site also contains abstracts of the colonial court records, the 1790-1810 census, and colonial tax lists.

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/speccol/sc3500...

Now why you gotta put David and Cynthia in your discussion?

One day we're cool and the next day there are insults!!

As I have said.... I can never tell which side of your Azz the sun will shine on.... Today I conclude it's way over there on the right side....

So just roll over on your back.... you slime!!!

Steve,

What I am seeing coming out of you Steve is your inherent feelings of superior over Black Americans and me who are descendents of slaves because you refuse and you are digging your heels in that we Black Americans are going to be what you call us and what you want us to be. I call that White people’s inherent superior that is left- over from the days of plantation slavery subliminally being displayed.

Your argument is that what different does it make what you call us who are the descendents of slaves, Black Americans or African Americans to you we are the same people.

But, let me inform your stupid superior dumb-ass Steve that there is a different between a pit-bull dog and a bull-dog. Although these two dogs are dogs, nevertheless they are different dogs. And, since you can’t distinguish the apparent physical differences between the two different dogs only because you ignorantly don’t want to are your short comings. You are mentally wacked out.

But I will not allow you to respect Black Americans and me we are not African people and you know that and to continue to disrespect us makes you an extremely dumb ass White man thinking you are superior to Black Americans. You really want to disrespect me as much as you can and as badly as you can, but I am not going to let you.

Cynthia, David, Irma, Ms. Jen and all the others are not intelligent people yet, but I am since I am Black America’s first genuine prophet. And, if you and I are going to dialogue honestly and up-rightly you will address me as to whom I say that I am, I am a Black American for now.

Imagine us Black Americans to be a sovereign people in a country of our own and we can’t be respected enough to be addressed like we want to be address, what kind of **** is that?

You think very low and disrespectful of Black Americans because you feel you are superior to us since you are a White man.

Steve, the bottom line is this. If you want me to respond to your posted article of another 1800’s thinking White man defining Black Americans as Africans you will have to make the adjustment and refer to us as Black Americans. Is that understood?

Cynthia,

You and David are the poster children of dumb ignorant Black Americans. I wish it weren’t so but is so.

When Steve can bunch you and Irma against Jamal Abraham and can bunch you, Irma and David against me it is clear that you all are some dumb Black Americans.

You all need to change you mind-set. Divide and conquer, you know the Willie Lynch letter syndrome is still being played out today, am I right.

i'm not against you Harry... you are my people... a dumb one but still you are mine!!

Cynthia,

If you are not against me I would also suppose that you weren’t against Jamal Abraham as well, but you were. Then how do you explain you and Irma banning together under Steve’s influence and guidance to turn against Jamal Abraham and Jamal was one of you as you say?

I just didn't like Jamal... it had nothing to do with anyone...
Plus you know I don't take too kindly to insults!! And I took his a little to personal!! But that was a valuable lesson of sorts...

This is the www..... anything can happen....

just because I oppose sum of your rhetoric... doesn't mean I'm turning on YOU... just your craziness...

But David and I are "a tag team" ha!

Harry... I found a bigger "TURKEY" than you!

But, I still have to engage on your topics!

stop being so overly sensitive... go ye therefore and spew your visions to all the nations,,, from sea to shining sea... through the mountains... and prairies..

you know the rest....

Cynthia,

I like what you are saying. I have nothing against Steve. But, Steve is going to respect us as a people and refer to us the right way. We are Black Americans. We are not African people. We did not come from Africa.

It was a time back when Steve asked me to turn against David and said no because David is one of my own. David read my reply and liked it. Now, Steve has gotten David to turn against me.
Now, David saw the right in me that I did not turn against him how can he not see the wrong in himself to turn against me? That is because David is a dumb-ass.

Steve doesn’t want to give me any respect and when Steve disrespects me he is also disrespecting you all as well because he is not one of us. Steve wants disrespect me out of his adamant superiority for descendents of slaves because he is White he naturally feels superior. That is why he always wants to be teaching you all and leading you all around. And, when you all go along and accept this inferiority it hurts me.

Steve wants me to accept being an African because that is what he wants me to be no matter what. Steve reminds me of the old slave master when he tied Kunta Kenta to a tree and wiped him until Kunta Kenta said that his name was Toby. Am I right or am I wrong?

I don't believe I've ever called you an African American Harry. If I ever did I don't remember it. Usually I just call you Harry. I did post about a couple of books written by someone else, not me. What sense would it make for me to change the title of someone else's book? I presented what I thought was useful historical research. And the reason I found it was because it finally sank in what Irma has been saying all these years. What I was trying to do Harry was to get you to open your mind. I say was, because it's plain it's never going to happen.

As you see/read Harry... Steve isn't disrespecting you... He's only passing on his love for books... I don't think this has anything to do with Kunta ....

Harry complain Harry complain Harry complain Harry complain Harry complain
then when you do the same ,,he starts character assassination ,,what a loop ,,
he can dish it but cant take it !
STEVE PROVES harry is out of his mind through facts ,,,so he say STEVE is a slave master
what else can he say ,,,when your loosing a debate you do like SNAKE jakes character assassination !

awww Brotha D... Harry's having a sensitive day... be gentle... He's still one of our own...

SIS ,,are you sure Harry is one of us ,,hell I consider Steve one of us ,,STEVE is blacker then harry will ever b ,,I dont like it when STEVE gets harry in a corner and harry is busted / cant answer the questions ,,then steve becomes a racist I dont get that from STEVE ,,,I get the racist mindset from Jakes and robert ! only !!!!

Harry ((That is because David is a dumb-ass)).....

Now I do have my limitations on how you can speak against my brother David..
Ya know he's a bit brash, he's abit outspoken and can be down right forcefull...

BUT he's still the apple of our mother's eyes!! I cannot agree with you... AS I STATED HE AND ARE TAG TEAM .... but we won't take you to the cage...

WE HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY... you are a mere cat fish.. a scavenger at the bottom of a river...

tag im it ,,,,lets get robert and see his crying ass Harry is fried up ,,mr bla bla blah

awww... the guppie... Y r u addressing I CYNTHIA???

Did ya know the parents of guppies EAT their young?

and as my brother would say to you... what do you know about being BLACK?

oh forget it.... you ask Harry for advise...

Carry on!!!

no jakes ,,,your a visitor ,,,do not say nothing as to '' respond to these charges '''
we dont allow you to talk like your one of us ,,your out of line ,,,

outsider !

jakes ,,,your begging for friendship was real ,,,lmbao

like I exposed you jakes ,,,you white boy rants and racist bully tactics ,and now you want to turn on Irma because she rejected you like the rest of us ,,,you petty punk ! slap

You are right Saint Jake...

Let me re-address this issue! Why do you like to comment on subjects that do not pertain to you? Why do you like to interject your opinions when they are not asked of you?

And I have to ask myself why is it that I allow some little character from "the wiz "the scarecrow" interject on my ability to communicate effectively with others?

Saint Jake... why are you trying to address me... when I stated on another blog that you too.. like your counter part Harry suffer from the same form of PsychoAbnormality?

Phineas Gage was ostrazied due to his irratic jestures and comments....

I must keep in mind that this is a G-Rated forum (Thanks Brother Robert)...

I can tell from your writings... The sun is shining on the left side of your azz!! And of course Harry already know's his azz is exposed to the Right Side!!!

SO ... I take this as yet another learning experience.... This blog in itself is pure representation of both you and Harry's inability to communicate rationally!!!

And @ Harry!! If i'm an AZZ Hole... What does that make you??? The Whole Azz!!

Carry on DUMB AND DUMBER!!!
"How about you go over and introduce yourself, build me up, that way I don’t have to brag about myself later."


por favor!!!

You are right Saint Jake...

Let me re-address this issue! Why do you like to comment on subjects that do not pertain to you? Why do you like to interject your opinions when they are not asked of you?

And I have to ask myself why is it that I allow some little character from "the wiz "the scarecrow" interject on my ability to communicate effectively with others?

Saint Jake... why are you trying to address me... when I stated on another blog that you too.. like your counter part Harry suffer from the same form of PsychoAbnormality?

Phineas Gage was ostrazied due to his irratic jestures and comments....

I must keep in mind that this is a G-Rated forum (Thanks Brother Robert)...

I can tell from your writings... The sun is shining on the left side of your azz!! And of course Harry already know's his azz is exposed to the Right Side!!!

SO ... I take this as yet another learning experience.... This blog in itself is pure representation of both you and Harry's inability to communicate rationally!!!

And @ Harry!! If i'm an AZZ Hole... What does that make you??? The Whole Azz!!

Carry on DUMB AND DUMBER!!!
"How about you go over and introduce yourself, build me up, that way I don’t have to brag about myself later."


por favor!!!

Wrong Harry. The article contains information. You can read it or not, you can like it or not. I post many things for Irma even if I don't personally agree with what I'm posting for her. But in the case of this book, it is based on 20 years of meticulous research of official government records from the Colonial and early Republic periods. Your job is to refute the public record, not to refute me.

I don't have to explain anything to you!! and if you want... I can do to you what I did Jamal!!

but as I said.... carry on... with your quackery...

YOU CAN'T STAND WHAT THE CYNT'S GOT COOKIN'

SHAME ON YOU HARRY!! Telling our family secrets? Did you tell him that I called you the Village Idiot!!! And that you were the rodent in the belly of the snake?

And how would you know I was foaming at the mouth!!

Saint... enjoy your romp with Harry...
Don't let the smooth mic fool you.. My brother Harry has greater "wits" than yourself...
I've known him longer (cyberlistically speaking).... but i know a jackal.... from his writings!!

well you know know the rules you mess with my sisters you got to mess with me ,,you jaw jaking is another rant ,,you seem to be the one always attacking the sisters and your jealous
because they can depend on ''brother '' david johnson to jump in and beat you down ,,see jakes I got love for my sisters seems when they turn uyou down you want to talk about them
seems like your an abuser from the way i see it ,,,,I keep slapping you around and looks like your retreating to the lady's to pick a fight with ,,KING DAVID aint no joke so you got to find someone to pick on ,,well you been warned ,,,SLAP





PUNK

Jake what consequences... I peeped your game on the women connect site.... oh I guess you forgot about that.... when you yourself told me that you were banned from this site...

I don't play to kindly with all that cyber investigation.. csi... bull crap... that you like to pull on other folks on this site!! I just sit back and watch and laugh!! YOU are CHILDS play to me!!!

If you want to know... I do not play stall tactics or any of the immature games you like to play... sweet cakes... candy cakes... whatevaa!!

@Harry if David's the ALPHA DOG...
I guess that makes me the OMEGA DOG!!! Put word of caution...
You play with this puppy..... YA WON'T GET LICKED IN THE FACE!!!

ok... Harry... gotta GO.... THANKS FOR YOUR BLOG USEAGE!!!

JAKES YOU BEEN KICKED OFF HBCU ,,,,FACTS ,,,ACCEPT IT ,,

Jake,

You be the judge. My review of Jamal's book and the discussion by the members at the time, including Jamal (Harry was there too but got himself deleted), are here in one of Irma's blogs.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT...this one is for you Seibra and Clark and Mozell...Dispite my still (472 hits)
being in total shock after reading Jamal's latest blog, I have got to respond...It is bad enough that society has reached such a low until we at times can not always trust our own judgement (Mozell's Y-O")on what is right or wrong or politically correct or even some of the things we see with our own eyes any more...

"WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE WORLD TODAY", is almost the only answer we can come up when we are in the state of fearing to even trust anyone any m ore...this is how I felt after reading that blog of Jamal's(I enjoyed his exchanges of his ideas with Clark)

I have been following the blogs of Jamal's for some times as he talked about his project that he wants to start in Africa...I had noticed that dispite his saying how educated he was, I still could not get over how he could not even write a decent paragraph.well I have two college degrees and can not do math or spell so I was able to fine excuses for this because there are always tutors to help with this...

I respected Jamal when he did not try to put me down or call me names(he is a Muslim like Siebra) when I said how I wished him well, but I could never be able to support any one race Only community. I am too about accepting someone on themself and not th color of their skin to be able to go to any public place they want to go...

but, that blog was all about how useless and worthless and how we African-Americans are so beyond help in acting like human beings that the White race should be more than glad to pay him to get us out of America and set up his project in Africa with their money...


Posted By: Irma Robinson
Tuesday, February 16th 2010 at 2:06AM

http://blackinamerica.com/cgi-bin/blog.cgi...

Stupid Steve,

My point is that in the late 1700’s into the 1800’s White Americans thought that we were Africans because they did not know any better. So, they referred to the descendents of plantation slaves as African Americans. Since then I’ve been anointed and I have today who the slave really are and have shown you all that we are a new race of Black American people. But, you are deliberately refusing to make the adjustment which is disrespect to my race and me continuing to say we are African people. I don’t see you as a Chinese man and I don’t refer to you as a Chinese man am I right. So, why you have to fight me about whom I say I am?

Until you refer to the descendents of plantation slaves as Black Americans I can not respond to your article, period. And, I am not going to repeat myself again.

Steve.... WE OWE NO ONE explanations...

Jake why don't you ask Elynor Moss... if you have the nerve!!!
Another thing I notice... you push people to go to administration then you cut and paste all of your rants for attention...

I've already expressed my concerns about you to both Reggie and Elynor....

so ain't no body falling for that ole okie doke!!!

YOU ask her,,your the one that has to prove yourself ,,not me ,,,,
your dares to me are like you worthless and fake ,,,wait I will post it for you ok ,,,,give me a min

still waiting ?? wait ,,hold on ,,wait for it ...wait ,,,

SIS ,,you seem to know Jakes like a book EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID IS FACTS ,,,

he dont know his time is coming to a _______________________

JAKES ,,YOU HAD A MASTER PLAN 2 YEARS AGO LOL AND 2 WEEKS LOL YOU GOT NOTHING BUT BEAT DOWN ,,,,,,,YOU HAVE CROSSED TO LINE_____________NOW YOU MUST PAY !

JAKES YOU AND YOUR WHITE BOY RANTS GOT ME ROLLING BUT MOST of all you are falling into another trap ,,lmao ,,I love setting you up ,,,Ilke taking candy from a baby ,,,your soft white boy jakes your not build for this kind of **** !

David... he's a fruit cake....

Seriously Jake you are CRAZY!!! NO FOR REAL CERTIFIED LOON!! Dayum D.... I don't do real crazy people... stalking... CSIing and thangs!! Can I get a cyber restraint???

more laughter your trying to figure out who is who while your falling face first hahahahahahahahahahahaha ,,,,,your real white trash ! got ya again ,, trapped !

SIS he will be begging for your friendship !

Irma's blog I just posted it too funny! After repeated warnings to Harry she deleted all his comments. What's so funning is it's so easy to imagine what Harry said by reading the replies to him! Here also we see the lie he told on me saying I turned anyone against Jamal. And as an added bonus it includes the origin of Brother Rabbit.

Still want to discuss HISTORY Harry?

now that the trash has been taken out ,,I happen to look at IRMA'S blog and that was 2010 Harry is getting the same comments now he got back then he is no use ,,,look at what brother CLARK ''said Harry, what I have said to you is not criticism but statement of fact. As I told you before, you have exposed yourself as dishonest and deceitful in your presentations. You rely on strawmen and misrepresentation, and as such "flexing brain muscles" (ha!) with the likes of that is a fools errand.

And again, piggybacking on the accomplishments of Moses does not make up for the fact that you have done nothing.

now fast forward to 2013,,Harry you have nothing to show for what your talking about just mouthing off with no plan ,no land ,no money ,no book ,no format ,no followers,,,,

I AM SOOOO DONE WITH HARRY ! faker , fraud,saint jakes part time broad you and harry are ONE !

.. I give the dumb azz the benefit of the doubt... Harry is mentally challenged.. we have to deal with people like this in the real world...

It's established he and Jake are certifiable .... @#!@&^%!! Good thing POTUS and VPOTUS is requesting CDC to do some thorough investigating on our mental patients out there just walking in the streets... YOU know they can be a danger not only to others but themselves ....

Jake are you suffering from homophobic fears and tendencies, do you sub consciously are attracted to gay man... yu use words like sweet cakes to addrress men, yet you often say i'm not a punk.... those are visual indicators that you like getting it on with men....bright complexion, i detect face color maybe a soft blush, eyes are nicely shaped...

Steve,

i am ready to discuss history with you when you decide to respect my Black American people and me by not addressing us as Africans, stupid!

let me help you... i have help with medical research... just come on let me help you... no one has to know..

but first thing we need to get you tucked and nipped.... you shouldn't procreate ya know.... we will do everything descreetly.... sssshhhh

steve can't play with you anymore.... nor can irma .... david .... siebra... or ...I

Harry,

Don't hide behind your IQ. You know damn well I'm talking about your lie that I turned people against Jamal. THAT history stupid.

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE !

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

XALRIGHT SINCE HARRY CANT SEEM TO STOP ALL HIS NAME CALLING AND COMPLAINING LETS STOP TALKING TO HIM ,,LETS LEAVE HIM ALONE UNTIL HE KNOWS HOW TO RESPECT US AND STOP HIJACKING POSTS !! BY HARRY ! WE ARE DONE ! WITH U

David,

You and the rest need to stop sucking up on Steve’s ****. The reason the dumb Negroes wanted to drink from the White water fountain is because the water tasted better, so they thought. You dumb-ass people it is time for us to come alive!

There were separate ice sold as well and the dumb Negroes want the White ice because they said the White ice was colder. You all are some dumb-ass people.

You idiots can not go two inches by ourselves before we start fighting each other to have a White man Steve leading us. Oh, you all shame me.