Let me ask all of you a question.

Charmell ,SOOOOOO true Harry says the same thing over and over,like he is on repeat every other day ,,,Harry can you stop trying to take my position ,,it is clear your not build mentally for this task and your making it bad for the real black prophet.... me ,,,,

if i ev,va catch up to you its going to be two prophets fighting in the parking lot !!!

lol

Hello Ms. Lee,

Let me clear up a few things before moving on that you said, okay.

You used the word entrap and the phased that I am entrapping my Black American people. That is not true. What you are actually saying is that you all are beginning to see logic and truth. Prophets do not entrap their people or any people.

Next, you compared Daddy Grace and Father Divine to me. Mr. Grace and Mr. Divine were two ignorant men because they champion the Christian religion and the gospel of the Jewish people and they were two Black American men descendents of slaves. I don’t champion the religion and gospel of other people. I only champion the religion of Black Americans and our religion is named LIFE.
Furthermore, I am not interest in my palms being greased. I am interested in all Black Americans becoming a sovereign people in a country of our own. It will cost no money for us to be sovereign free. Likewise, it cost the Hebrew people no money to walk out of Egypt, am I right.

Lastly, you asked that I divulge inspiration and that I’ve been doing. The reason why I am deleted, blocked, put out of churches and Muslims mosques is because of the inspirations I give.

David Johnson is jealous and envious of me because of the divine inspirations I divulge. He wants my position, but he is not a clean vessel as I am. God anointed me and no one can take it from me, period.

Do you believe that our only permanent solution is that we become a sovereign people in a country of our own?

David,

You are a fool

call me what you want harry but unlike you I HAVE A REAL PLAN !

YOU ARE ON REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT !

DID GOD THROUGH anointing YOU tell you to cuss out the people that don't Liston to you or don't believe you? your godly divine inspirations is more like a prefight into WWF ,,,,,
INSTEAD if inspiring you make people want to FIGHT !

I am the way and the only way for Black Americans today as Moses was the Hebrew people’s only way 4000 years ago.

And you Harry embrace Moses, a Jewish man, as your prophet.

Hello David,

You say you have a plan. If your plan is about our sovereignty then you have a plan. However, you once adamantly told me that you are against Black Americans having a country of our own to go for ourselves. You are a flip flapper. You are nothing but a big dummy!

I am telling the truth when I say we as a people are ignorant as hell. We are the dumbest people in this country. But, you all don’t have to stay ignorant. You all know that the things I say are true. I am telling you all that I am a true and genuine prophet to Black Americans and everything I said about Black Americans coming into a reasonable and fertile portion of this continent that we can call our very own country is going to happen in my life-time.

You are a vein and a hollow man. You are nothing. The more you parade your self as something is the more you are a shallow man. Learn to accept that you are not the Chosen One.

We are not playing a game here. The future of Black Americans is in my hands just as the future of the Children of Israel was in the hands of Moses.

Hello Steve,

You are stupid! The same God that anointed Moses anointed me. Genuine Prophets don’t follow other genuine prophets idiot.

How can Moses lead me and Moses is dead? You are fool!

HARRY STOP TRYING TO GET ME TO GIVE YOU THE SECRETS TO MY IDEAL ,,you have not told us your plan ,,,your trying to get top secret info FROM ME AND CALL IT YOURS
TRYING TO ''PLAGIARIZE'' ,,,YOU keep doing what you been doing ,repeat, repeat, REPEAT !!

IM SENDING email to all the members ,,,working behind the sen while your on front street getting ran over !

Harry,You are stupid!

Harry Moses was a copy cat ,,,,,do the research !

@ steve can you do a lil research on this ,,,,,,,

"Moses" is actually what is left of a combo of the Egyptian words for "child of" and "water" (swh -- which was generally applied to the Nile as well). So "Moses" would be a child of the water, one who was "born of" or, metaphorically, drawn out of the water (the metaphorical usage being made precisely in order to draw the pun between "Moses" and "draw out" in Hebrew, and serving as a slap in the face to Moses' now-rejected Egyptian heritage -- think of this in the same way as Malcolm X adopting his own name).

But now to Sargon. Here's his story, the relevant part. It is in poetic form, but we will compact that here for convenience. Our primary source here and hereafter is Brian Lewis' The Sargon Legend (American Schools of Oriental Research, 1978).

Sargon, strong king, king of Agade, am I. My mother was a high priestess, my father I do not know. My paternal kin inhabit the mountain region. My city (of birth) is Azupiranu, which lies on the bank of the Euphrates. My mother, a high priestess, conceived me, in secret she bore me. She placed me in a reed basket, with bitumen she caulked my hatch. She abandoned me to the river from which I could not escape. The river carried me along: to Aqqi, the water drawer, it brought me. Aqqi, the water drawer, when immersing his bucket lifted me up. Aqqi, the water drawer, raised me as his adopted son. Aqqi, the water drawer, set me to his garden work. During my garden work, Istar loved me (so that) 55 years I ruled as king.
The story goes on to relate some of Sargon's deeds. None of these are claimed to find parallels in Moses' account. Some of the similarities commonly cited are:

The secrecy factor surrounding the birth
The placing in a reed basket, covered with bitumen
The setting in a river
The recovery and adoption
We will now look at some background data provided by Lewis, then analyze each of these similarities in turn.

David,

Are you saying that Moses wasn’t real? What exactly are you saying, be clear.

David, I myself have very different ideas about Moses than does Harry. The subject as you know is an ongoing interest of mine, all the more so since you brought Christine to the site. So I am continuing to investigate. I believe we can start with the formation of the Septuagint, in Alexandria, Egypt, Africa.

When I say Harry embraces Moses as his prophet, I mean the Moses that Harry has invented in his own mind.

Harry again you are trying to steal info ,,,do your research on what i have presented you will find the truth
@steve yes Christine has open Pandora's box to the gateway of a lot of religion !

Steve,

Are you saying that the Biblical Moses is not real? Because, the Mses i always refer to is the Biblical Moses. So, are you saying that the Biblical Moses is not rasl?

Harry, I will say that the Moses described in the Old Testament is not the real Moses. You cannot find any other source for the Moses you say is real, except for the Old Testament. But even worse, you embellish the story way beyond what is contained in your only source, the Old Testament, which you also deny is your Scripture. If these embellishments are not invented by your mind, then show where they come from. At least quote the Old Testament passages that prove your statements.

Harry, one thing you definitely cannot claim to be is an Historian.

Harry GOD dont like ugly name calling Prophets ,,,,,,

the easter bunny is dead

control yourself or i will have your god put you in a corner with a ''dunce hat on '' oh you all ready did that ,,,,,,look around and stop trying to take my place ...

I AM BLACK AMERICA'S TRUE prophet ,,,Harry is a lie,fake ,wannabe ,,,,, fraud !

Hello Steve,

Since you say that the Biblical Moses is not the real Moses than prove it. I say that the Biblical Moses is the real Moses because of the Passover instituted by the Biblical Moses 4000 years ago that the Jewish people in the State of Israel today still celebrate yearly exactly as it happen 4000 years ago.

So, prove that the Biblical Moses is not the real Moses, stupid. All that I am getting from you is gossip and no proof.

I gave you my proof and my proof is the Passover celebration.

harry ,you should have known this before you got started ,,,,,

more proof that i am the real prophet and your not ,,because i have the proof and you dont so your a lie !

oh harry you got to be joking right ?

Okay Harry, so Passover is celebrated today. But I guarantee you cannot PROVE it was instituted 4000 years ago by Moses. The only "proof" you can offer is the Old Testament, and that is not sufficient to PROVE.

Hello David,

Is that all the punch you have to ask me am I joking! Hell no I am not joking stupid. I am the prophet so I should know what God likes.

Genuine prophets have religion. Moses religion is Judaism. Mohammed’s religion was Islam. My religion is LIFE. What is your religion stupid?

HARRY ,,,you got to be joking you are cussing and talking about GOD in the sane sentence this show your lack of respect for GOD ,,,your a Hippocratic in the worst way and you sprak with fork tongue ! lier ,! RESPECT THE FACT I AM THE REAL BLACK PROPHET and harry you are a fake ,,,,now respect that you hear me ??

Stupid Steve,

You have not offered any proof that the Biblical Moses is not real.

All that you are doing is following behind me trying to chew away my proof. Leave me the fu*k alone and offer your proof that the Biblical Moses is not real, fool. Then we can compare my proof to your proof to see which one of us is right.

So, far you don’t seem to have a damn thing but gossip and no proof. All that you all are doing is misleading each other talking **** with no proof. You all are some stupid people.

Stupid do you know anything about the Passover to say that Moses did not institute it 4000 years ago?

David,

I asked you what is your religion since you say that you are a prophet. All genuine prophets had a religion because God gave it to them. What is yours?

HARRY why are you asking me questions you cant answer ,,,,we have been asking you this for 2 years and you haven't answered yet !

Harry this is MORE proof your trying to steal my ideals trying to rob me of my statics as BLACK AMERICA'S prophet you a crook harry your the son of sam'' ,,, Satan !

go away you devil !

David,

I see we are going nowhere!

YOUR right HARRY for once your right you are going no where because your not the man for the job ,why do you keep getting turned down ,why you keep getting kicked off websites and out the churches ,,,I will tell you why ,,because your not the chosen one ,you want to fight the black race and cuss them out in order to get your fake point across because its not working for you !

black america will end up kicking your ass because some people dont want that over the top aggressive behavior put on them and some carry guns who want to risk getting shot just to prove they are called by GOD only you harry only you ,,,,,

when you called by GOD ,there is a plan and harry i have that plan ,,,,,,,,

what i need you to do is stop telling people that your me because your not me got me !

David,

You are stupid.

Harry I expect you to say that ,I know your going to try to insult me and slander the one and only black america's PROPHET ,,,

your jealous ,I understand how you feel but this is not about how you feel this is about facts ,,,

again I need you to stop telling lies and trying to be something your not

Harry,

You said "Do you all know how divinely powerful it was when I first said that prophets are racially different and that our prophet must be of our race, right?"

My proof that you are wrong comes from Philo of Alexandria. He was born circa 20 BC and lived until sometime after 40 AD. Among his works that survive we have ON THE LIFE OF MOSES, BOOK II, from which I quote below. Philo, speaks of Moses as the Lawgiver.

Yet, although it may be rightly thought a great matter in itself that the laws should have been guarded securely through all time, we have not reached the true marvel. There is something surely still more wonderful--even this: not only Jews but almost every other people, particularly those which take more account of virtue, have so far grown in holiness as to value and honor our laws. In this they have received a special distinction which belongs to no other code. Here is the proof. Throughout the world of Greeks and barbarians, there is practically no state which honours the institutions of any other. Indeed, they can scarcely be said to retain their own perpetually, as they adapt them to meet the vicissitudes of times and circumstances. The Athenians reject the customs and institutions of the Lacedaemonians, and the Lacedaemonians those of the Athenians; nor, in the world of the barbarians, do the Egyptians maintain the laws of the Scythians, , nor the Scythians those of the Egyptians--nor, to put it generally, Europeans those of Asiatics nor Asiatics those of Europeans. We may fairly say that mankind from east to west, every country and nation and state, shew aversion to foreign institutions, and think that they will enhance the respect for their own by shewing disrespect for those of other countries. It is not so with ours. They attract and win the attention of all, of barbarians, of Greeks, of dwellers on the mainland and islands, of nations of the east and the west, of Europe and Asia, of the whole inhabited world from end to end.

STEVE ,,,HARRY will not be able to handle all this he is going to go nuts once he find out he has been a lie all this time !

Hello Ms Lee,

If you have a question for then state ask it. On the other hand, if you have legitimate and fruitful comments state it as well. I don’t understand Peter Popoff and what if means.

I gravitate to intelligence and wisdom. I am not a child any more. I am a spiritually mature man and a genuine prophet to Black Americans.

Stupid ass Steve,

Philo of Alexandria is not proof. Philo of Alexandria is just Mr. Philo’s opinion. Proof is something physically tangible like the Passover incident when Moses instructed his people to paint Lamb’s blood on the door posts. The Passover also entails the rush to leave Egypt that the bread did not finish baking and the name flat bread came about.
Today, the Jews go through this ritual yearly in remembrance of God bringing them out of Israel. How else would today’s Jews know how to exactly re-enact the Passover if it was not handed down to them? And, since Moses instituted the Passover from God’s mandate then the Biblical Moses is real, stupid.

So, I have offered genuine proof while you have offered another man’s opinion.

Harry, what Philo reports is the historical fact that in his time Judaism had been embraced throughout the known world. Hence, not matched to any specific "race".

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Moses the Egyptian

The Memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism
Jan Assmann

Standing at the very foundation of monotheism, and so of Western culture, Moses is a figure not of history, but of memory. As such, he is the quintessential subject for the innovative historiography Jan Assmann both defines and practices in this work, the study of historical memory--a study, in this case, of the ways in which factual and fictional events and characters are stored in religious beliefs and transformed in their philosophical justification, literary reinterpretation, philological restitution (or falsification), and psychoanalytic demystification.

To account for the complexities of the foundational event through which monotheism was established, Moses the Egyptian goes back to the short-lived monotheistic revolution of the Egyptian king Akhenaten (1360-1340 B.C.E.). Assmann traces the monotheism of Moses to this source, then shows how his followers denied the Egyptians any part in the origin of their beliefs and condemned them as polytheistic idolaters. Thus began the cycle in which every "counter-religion," by establishing itself as truth, denounced all others as false. Assmann reconstructs this cycle as a pattern of historical abuse, and tracks its permutations from ancient sources, including the Bible, through Renaissance debates over the basis of religion to Sigmund Freud’s Moses and Monotheism. One of the great Egyptologists of our time, and an exceptional scholar of history and literature, Assmann is uniquely equipped for this undertaking--an exemplary case study of the vicissitudes of historical memory that is also a compelling lesson in the fluidity of cultural identity and beliefs.

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isb...

Moses and Akhenaten: The Secret History of Egypt at the Time of the Exodus

“The Classic work which redefines the timeframe of the Exodus and places it firmly in the age of Akhenaten and Tutankhamun. Essential reading for all Bible historians.”
--Andrew Collins, author of From the Ashes of Angels and Gateway to Atlantis

During his reign, the Pharaoh Akhenaten was able to abolish the complex pantheon of the ancient Egyptian religion and replace it with a single god, Aten, who had no image or form. Seizing on the striking similarities between the religious vision of this “heretic” pharaoh and the teachings of Moses, Sigmund Freud was the first to argue that Moses was in fact an Egyptian. Now Ahmed Osman, using recent archaeological discoveries and historical documents, contends that Akhenaten and Moses were one and the same man.

In a reinterpretation of the Exodus story, Osman details the events of Moses/Akhenaten's life: how he was brought up by Israelite relatives, ruled Egypt for seventeen years, angered many of his subjects by replacing the traditional Egyptian pantheon with monotheism, and was forced to abdicate the throne. Retreating to the Sinai with his Egyptian and Israelite supporters, he died out of the sight of his followers, presumably at the hands of Seti I, after an unsuccessful attempt to regain his throne.

Osman reveals the Egyptian components in the monotheism preached by Moses as well as his use of the Egyptian royal ritual and Egyptian religious expression. He shows that even the Ten Commandments reveal the direct influence of Spell 125 in the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Moses and Akhenaten provides a radical challenge to long-standing beliefs concerning the origin of Semitic religion and the puzzle of Akhenaten's deviation from ancient Egyptian tradition. In fact, if Osman's contentions are correct, many of the major Old Testament figures are of Egyptian origin.

AHMED OSMAN was born in Cairo in 1934, where he studied law. He is also the author of Stranger in the Valley of Kings, Out of Egypt, and The House of the Messiah. He has lived in England since 1964.

Hello Steve,

You are extremely stupid. I am able to post my proof that Moses was real in three sentences to one paragraph and you can’t post your proof because you keep posting other people’s opinion about Moses.

I’ve already told you what constitute proof and you keep posting volumes of opinions. You are stupid.

Harry,

I have presented you historical proof. The man later known by the name Moses, and the story of the Exodus, and the giving of the laws, all originated with Akhenaten, the Egyptian Pharaoh. This Egyptian history was plagiarized and changed into the story you have in your Bible, at the time the Septuagint was written. True history Harry.

It could also be that the transformation of Akhenaten into Moses occurred earlier than the Septuagint and was codified in the Septuagint.

Again from Philo. Notice that Moses has the attributes of Akhenaten.

For Moses, through God's providence, became king and lawgiver and high priest and prophet; and in each function he won the highest place.

Steve,

You are becoming confusing. First you say that Biblical Moses is not true. Now, you say Moses became king and lawgiver and high priest and prophet. So, are you now saying that you were lying the first time when you said the Biblical Moses was phony?

In any case you have not presented any historical proof that Moses did not exist. All that you did was presented historical opinions of others.
If you think you have proof then down size it from your lengthy writings to a paragraph. Your lengthy writings I don’t understand it. Too much and to confusing to search through.

"If you think you have proof then down size it from your lengthy writings to a paragraph. Your lengthy writings I don’t understand it. Too much and to confusing to search through."

It does take concentration Harry. The writings I have posted are not inconsistent. I am trying to get you to an accurate understanding of Moses. You swallow the King James story hook, line, and sinker. And why? Because it is absolutely essential to your argument of who you are.

Harry, your bridge from the present to the past collapses without the Old Testament account. And you cannot prove that the Old Testament account is true history. You cannot see that?

I did prove it Harry. What are these independent records of the Passover? Provide the references.

here is more proof harry moses is not real Moses" is actually what is left of a combo of the Egyptian words for "child of" and "water" (swh -- which was generally applied to the Nile as well). So "Moses" would be a child of the water, one who was "born of" or, metaphorically, drawn out of the water (the metaphorical usage being made precisely in order to draw the pun between "Moses" and "draw out" in Hebrew, and serving as a slap in the face to Moses' now-rejected Egyptian heritage -- think of this in the same way as Malcolm X adopting his own name).

Stupid David,

I don’t understand what you mean that Moses is not real Moses?

@Charmell, I doso remember Daddy Grace and Father Devine...and...here Harr is correct that these two can not be compared to him...

THEY HAD MANY,MANY FAITHFUL, DEVOTED TO THEIR CAUSES FOLLOWERS.(SMILE)

i HAVE SEEN ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL SCIENCE PROVING THE HAPPENINGS IN EGYPT AS RELATED TO THE STORY OF MOSES DURING THE TIME LINE OF MOSES TO BE TRUE...

AND, BECAUSE THE FINDINGS OF SCIENCE CAN BE TESTED AND RETESTED AND NOT CHANGE, I TEND TO GO ALONG WITH THE SCIENCE IN THESE THINGS.(SMILE)